Today’s guests know what it’s like to seek God as a refuge and strength in times of trouble. Kevin and Sam Sorbo are Hollywood actors whose greatest desire is to bring light to the world through the medium of film. Kevin starred as the hero “Hercules” in the popular television series and movies, and Sam, is an actress in her own right and also hosts her own radio show. In the height of his career, Kevin suffered a series of strokes that would change everything, and put him in a place of deep dependence on God. Together, Kevin and Sam battled for his recovery and came back determined to give God the glory, starting by creating meaningful films that would reach people for Him. Currently, both Sam and Kevin star in the movie “Let There Be Light” which is now available on DVD. Pastor Robert J. Morgan served alongside Billy Graham early in his ministry and dreamed of one day being able to reach people like Rev. Graham did. He eventually became the pastor of his own church and has written a book that shows people how spending time meditating on the words of Scripture can have a life changing effect. He and his wife Katrina, have faced her diagnosis of multiple sclerosis with the assurance that God has been their “refuge and strength; a very present help in trouble.”
God Is Our Refuge & Strength: Kevin & Sam Sorbo and Pastor Robert J. Morgan – Jesus Calling Podcast Episode #85
Narrator: Welcome to the Jesus Calling podcast. Today we speak with husband and wife actors Kevin and Sam Sorbo. Kevin, who is now also an author, speaker, and director, came to fame by playing legendary hero Hercules on the long running series “Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.” He met his wife Sam, an actress, writer and radio show host, when she did a guest appearance on the show.. Together, they are passionate about spreading a positive message to others through the medium of film and sharing their faith along the way. They discuss their newest film, “Let There Be Light,” which is now available on DVD. They also talk about their commitment to God and to each other through the good times, and the tough times.
Growing Up, Finding God
Sam: Hi, I’m Sam Sorbo.
Kevin: And I am Kevin Sorbo. Hello.
Sam: You probably know him from Hercules and also Andromeda and maybe many of his movies like God’s Not Dead and Let There Be Light.
Kevin: That’s right.
I grew up in a little town called Mound, Minnesota, which is about 25 miles west of Minneapolis on the beautiful shores of Lake Minnetonka. And we were home — in a little town of 7000 people — to Tonka toys—get it? Lake Minnetonka… Tonka toys. I’m the fourth of five kids.
All five of us went to the same school system. My dad was a seventh and eighth grade math and biology teacher at the junior high school there, and I grew up loving sports and playing a lot of sports. I was a football, basketball, and baseball guy. I fell in love with golf at early age because my dad was off in the summers and worked for a golf course.
I grew up in a Lutheran home with wonderful parents, and I grew up in a really great neighborhood. I was very lucky to grow up like that because really all of my friends are all her friends now, too. I was just very fortunate to go back. We go back every summer…
Sam: That’s not my story. I grew up… we started in New Rochelle then we moved and then we moved again. We moved several times. I grew up in an atheist household and an extremely liberal one, so in my 20s, I went on a search for meaning, basically purpose. I’d become established in my craft and in my career, so I needed something more. I discovered that there was a God in the universe basically because there is order in the universe. Once I had determined that God existed, I went searching for Him in places of worship, and I ended up at a church which is where I became a Christian.
“I discovered that there was a God in the universe basically because there is order in the universe.” – Sam Sorbo
The Dream of Acting
Kevin: I was 11 years old when we went to the Guthrie Theater — which is a very famous Theater in Minneapolis. And I saw The Merchant of Venice. It was Shakespeare, and I was mesmerized. I didn’t understand what they were saying, because it was Shakespeare, but I was blown away by what I was watching on stage.
And I told my mom on the way home, I said, “You know, mom” — now, remember, I’m eleven years old — so I said, “Mom, I think I want to be an actor.” And she said, “That’s nice, Dear. That’s nice, Dear.” But it wasn’t really until I got into college when I really started going after it and paying attention to it. I double majored in marketing and advertising, but I minored in drama. And I loved it. I mean, that’s what I really wanted to do. I sort of had a side track to my life where I started dating someone other than her because it was way down the road before I met her, and she was a model. And she said, “Come to Europe with me and just spend three months before you move to Los Angeles.”
An agent there said, “You should model too,” and I was like, “I don’t know.” But then they got me going, and I actually was a different kind of success of hers because I was more I was more of the jock guy, and I was so much bigger. I’m 6’3”, and all these other guys were 5’11” and 5’10”, and so I got all these athletic gigs… these really good ones. You know, I got to go to the Bahamas and do stuff there and go into the middle of desert, the Sahara Desert. And it was really interesting to me. I ended up living in Europe for three years, so it is quite a huge sidetrack to my life, but it wasn’t fulfilling because I knew what I wanted to do.
So I really got sidetracked a lot when I thought at 22 years old: “I’m heading straight to L.A.” And I finally get out there when I was almost 27 years old at the time, so I started pursuing the career kind of late. But the commercial world was great to me. I did a lot of commercials and started getting guest spots and shows. And then, of course, along came Hercules, and what was going to just be five two-hour movies, turned into seven years of a one-hour TV show. We passed Baywatch as most watched TV show in the world, and then I went straight from there to Andromeda. I just sorta got lucky. I had a lot of good success and was very fortunate.
Sam: I always wanted to be an actor, but I sprouted a little bit early, so in high school, I was always taller than all of the guys — especially the guys in drama club because the football players didn’t come over to drama club or drama class for that matter. So I struggled to get cast for things, and the mantra was: “Don’t become an actor because you can’t be successful.”
So I went to Duke University, and I studied biomedical engineering. I took some time off while I was at Duke because I needed to take time off because it was so stressful. And I ended up going over to Europe and modeling for a year, and I was very successful with that. It also opened up the door to becoming an actor. So eventually that’s what I did. I modeled for several years, and then I went into acting and found success and got cast on a little show called Hercules — which at the time was the number one show in the world — and went down to New Zealand, and. well, I played a princess. That’s how we met.
A Match Made In Heaven
Kevin: When I finally talked her to into our first date, I went to pick her up the hotel she was staying at, and she gets in the car — and I had a country music station on — and she says, “Oh, you like country music?”
And I said, “Yeah, I do. You can change if you want. I mean, it’s the only country music station in all of New Zealand.”
She said, “No, no. I like it. I like it.”
So we went to the restaurant and started talking, and I said a few things. Then she said, “Are you conservative?”
And I said, “Yes, I am.”
And we kind of laughed about being conservatives in Hollywood and what that’s like. Then we talked more, and she said, “Are you… are you Christian?”
And I said, “Yes, I am a Christian.”
So she said, “A Christian, a conservative, and you like country music? The three C’s. I think I’m in love with you.”
So that’s kind of how that first date went which is pretty pretty funny.
Sam: When I went down to shoot Hercules, I was actually a little concerned that I was shooting another show with a stuck-up, good-looking male actor. There are plenty. And when I met Kevin, the first time I met him, I could tell that he was exceedingly genuine. He’s a Minnesota guy. You know? He’s down to earth. He wasn’t at all stuck up which was a shock to me because he was a very good looking guy, and he was shooting the number one show in the world. And so that, in part, is why I fell in love with him. As far as the show, seeing the responses of people — because I saw some of those letters that were coming in — that were so profound really…
The Hercules Years
Kevin: It was interesting what happened with Hercules.
I knew by the third movie we had something special. This was a show… it certainly wasn’t a faith-based series, but it was a series that had a lot of positive messages in there. Hercules, the character I played, was a really good role model. We reached 176 countries. It’s still in 60 countries today. It’s on Netflix. It’s on a couple cable outlets. It’s crazy how it just keeps going and going and going, and there’s a whole new generation of kids that are watching it now. A lot them probably get into it from their parents that are now in their 30s. You know, I hate to admit it, but we shot the show from 1993 to the end of 1999. But the letters I would get that would come in from orphanages and from people that had rough family lives saying that I was their role model and that I was their make-believe father.
“…the letters that I would get would come in from orphanages and from people that had rough family lives saying that I was their role model and that I was their make-believe father.” – Kevin Sorbo
Sam: That your character taught them not to give up and to be good and not to be weak.
Kevin: Yeah, the character was “Don’t fight first.” And there was just a lot of strong, moral messages in there like to stick by your values and stick by what you believe is good and right. And to have kids want to do that… I had three kids come down for Make-A-Wish, and every time I broke down. I remember the first time, it was just brutal for me because I’m just going, “Why are you picking me?” I didn’t say that to the kid, of course, but, you know, of all the things in the world, I’m your wish? It was overwhelming to me, and it was an honor at the same time. But I guess I didn’t feel worthy of it.
Sam: I don’t think he even realized the impact that his show had. That’s why, you know, a Make-A-Wish kid comes down there, and he’s not seeing the the broad spectrum, really. So that was that was sort of an eye-opening experience for both of us, really. To see… what did the TV Guide guy say?
Kevin: He said, “That was that was the one show his family watches together.” And this came from an editor from the TV Guide who sent me a letter, and he also wrote it in the TV Guide which I thought was pretty amazing.
Changing The World, One Story At A Time
Sam: When I started acting in L.A., I joined an acting class, and the coach of the acting class said — in his first interview before I joined the class — he said, “So, why do you want to act?” And before I could even really think, the words sort of flew out of my mouth: “I want to change the world.” That was such a ridiculous thing to say, and yet now, several years later of course, I realize that what I meant was: storytelling profoundly impacts people. That’s why Jesus spoke in parables. It’s so we could take His story in the real world… His story in the real world and apply it in the spiritual world. And, of course, He was tremendously impactful. And that’s what I was meaning. So witnessing that the impact that the Hercules series had on people…
“…storytelling profoundly impacts people.” – Sam Sorbo
Kevin: It’s such a powerful medium: television, movies, all that. We see it in our culture today. We see it with the secular message that Hollywood puts out there on so many of its TV shows and movies, and it does affect people and changes people. We don’t allow them to let them think for themselves in a way. So, to me, it’s like I want to send out messages that have a positive and uplifting and moralistic value.
Sam: One thing I’ll say is before we got married, in my head, I was trying to figure out the balance between my career — which was going very well — I guest-starred for half a season on Chicago Hope, which was a very big national network show, and I was booking more and more work. And right before I met Kevin… I had already determined I wanted to be married. I wanted to get married. That’s what I wanted, and I realized there was going to have to be a compromise. I said a prayer to God. I said, “Can you… can you at least tell me what the compromise is? I understand there’s a compromise. What is it going to be?” And then I met Kevin, and he was perfect. He was, there was no doubt, he was perfect for me.
Kevin: I’m not perfect…
Choosing Love over Fame
Sam: For me… for me… he was perfect. That’s amazing. I met the perfect guy, and I still don’t know what the compromise is, so I’m just going to go full steam ahead. Then he got sick. He had three strokes. He nearly died. He was incapacitated and could barely get up off the couch. And when he was in intensive care, I booked a national network television spot for ice cream — which is like my favorite thing. This was like a dream job. It was worth a lot of money. It was a big deal. They were going to fly me to New York for three days to shoot it. And I went into the intensive care unit, and I stood at the foot of his bed, and I said, “I booked that ice cream commercial that I auditioned for.”
And he said, “Congratulations.”
I said, “They want me to fly to New York tomorrow for three days. Would you like me to not go?” Which put him in the unenviable position of having to admit that he needed me.
I was faced with a binary choice, really: the love of my life or my career. And, literally, in the intensive care room, I just looked up at the heavens, and I said, “Oh, that’s easy. Done.” And I chose my marriage and my husband and that whole thing over my career.
The Fight of Kevin’s Life
Kevin: We were at the end of season five on the series. And Sam and I had known each other for a little over a year by this point. And I was having all kinds of problems in my left arm. I couldn’t feel what was going on. I was doing most of my own stunts and working 14 hour days and lifting weights — anywhere from an hour and a half to two hours every single day on top of the 14-hour day on set. And I was, you know, getting bumps and bruises and cuts and sprains or whatever by doing all these stunts because we had three fight scenes every single episode, and my ego wanted me to do the fights. And I wanted to do them. So I blew it off. I blew off this pain in my shoulder and this numbness in my fingers.
I finally went to see a doctor who found a lump way up here in my left shoulder, in my left clavicle. He said that he wanted to do a biopsy on it, and that kind of freaked me out. I said, “Biopsy? I’m Hercules, and I am a healthy guy. C’mon. Leave me alone.” And then I went to see the chiropractor.
As I’m laying it on the table at the chiropractor, I heard a voice inside my head say, “Don’t let him crack your neck.” I thought, “That’s weird. He’s never cracked my neck. I’ve been seeing this guy for 8 years. He knows I don’t like my neck cracked.”
The voice said again with more urgency: “Don’t let him crack your neck.” While I’m arguing with this voice, he cracks my neck, and that lump ended up being an aneurysm that had been spitting out blood clots into my left arm. That crack of the neck — because it was so close up to the artery feeding the brain — threw three clots into my brain, and I guess I’m lucky where they went. They went to my balance center and vision. Actually, there was a fourth one that went to my speech.
She heard my voice, and she rushed me to the hospital.
Sam: I heard your speech…
Kevin: Yeah, you heard the way I was talking.
Sam: I saw him stroke right in front of me.
Kevin: I couldn’t do the next movie I’d line up for myself because Universal was gearing me up to become the next new action guy to fill in for, you know, where Arnold Schwarzenegger was tailing off. So it was it was brutal for me to go through this and have it happened to me. And you go through that: “Why, God? Why? Why is this happening to me?” And we wrestled a lot, you know? And I prayed a lot.
Yet, I just I remember one night crawling myself up the top of the apartment complex that we were at and looking at the moon, and I wept. I felt like somebody had passed away, somebody had died, and it was a long journey for me. Sam says, “You had faith, but you never needed it until now.” Now I understand what she said. It was years later — because it took me three years to fully recover. It was a long road, and it was a tough road. And there were a lot of prayers in there. There was a lot of frustration.
Sam always said, she gave me a mantra to look in the mirror and say, “I am getting better and getting stronger.” And say it every day until you believe it for that day. And it was also tough love because she just said, “It happened. What are you going to do about it? How are you going to deal with it?” And I realized I had to take things under control in my own way and say, “Okay, God, let’s get through this. Let’s fight through this.”
True Strength
Sam: He was in intensive care. They had discovered the aneurysm, and they were treating it with the angio going from his groin up into his shoulder. They had just brought him out of the operating room, I guess. Maybe they had just inserted it or they just went to look at it again. That was probably it. And I’m not entirely sure — he might have reacted to the dye, or it might have just been what we eventually learned were panic and anxiety attacks. But he kind of went into sort of a shock, and he started shivering uncontrollably. The entire bed was shaking.
If he jerked any which way — he wasn’t allowed to move in the bed. He wasn’t allowed to sit up for the days that he was in the intensive care — and so he was shivering uncontrollably, and if something came loose or if he cut himself in any way or the tube got pulled, he would bleed out. He would just bleed out and die.
There was no way to stop the blood, basically. And he was shivering. And the nurse, a male nurse in the intensive care, said, “We’ve got to get him back into the OR STAT, or we’ll lose him!”
So I ran down to the to the pay phones, and I called his GP who had who had been supervising his care, and I said, “This is what just happened.” And the GP said, “Sam, there’s nothing I can do from here.” So I just started praying, and I walked back to the intensive care unit, kind of trepidatious, wondering what I was going to find when I got back there, and they had resolved it. They told me that they had just given him some Benadryl which I’m not sure if I heard them correctly or if it was that simple or what, but they had resolved it, and he was okay.
Kevin: She was hugely instrumental for True Strength to get made because I didn’t want to show how weak I’d become. The male ego is, as all men know, we are very insecure… very, very protective of letting people see weakness in us. And certainly, me as an actor, that’s a visible actor playing a guy that is 6 feet tall and 230 pounds of muscle, it was a tough road for me to have to go through. But True Strength came out in 2012, and it’s been a blessing. I do about a dozen to 15 speaking events a year, whether it’s in medical places or motivational places or whatever it may be, and I’ve had people that have come up as car crash survivors, heart attacks, stroke, cancer, whatever it may be saying, “Your book has made me stop feeling sorry for myself.” I just got two emails in the last three days from people through my website. All these years later, they still keep coming through saying, “I’m not angry anymore. I’m not angry at God, and I’m not upset.”
“I’m not angry anymore. I’m not angry at God, and I’m not upset.”
I went back to New Zealand four months after the strokes, believe it or not, and I went from a 12 to 14 workday to a one-hour day. They wanted to keep the show going. It was a big cash cow for the studio, and quite frankly, for me, I needed it. I needed to find some kind of hope in my life. I needed to find that light at the end of a very long and dark tunnel. I needed to feel like, “Okay, I’m going to beat this thing. I’m not going to let this thing destroy me.” And it gave me hope, and I think we’re all searching for that.
“I needed to find some kind of hope in my life.” – Kevin Sorbo
I had to pray a lot about why this happened to me. And, eventually, I did find the reasons behind it because it wasn’t that I was a bad person, and I was doing evil work. I actually thought Hercules, as I mentioned earlier, always had really good messages and good values to it. But it opened a door for me that I never thought I’d go down. It opened a couple of doors for me that I thought I’d never go down.
I never thought I’d be doing what I’m doing with these speaking events and the movies I’m doing that, and I love it. That was really a God thing. There’s no question.
Let There Be Light
Sam: I had the idea for Let There Be Light because, you know, I’m raising my children as Christians in an increasingly secular world and their faith, my faith, is challenged often every day, and I just I got to the point where I thought, “I wonder what it would be like for an atheist to have his faith challenged?”
So I developed the idea that the world’s greatest atheist has a near death experience and sees something that just doesn’t jive with his worldview, and he has to reconcile that with all of his previously held beliefs. The more I thought about it, the more I thought, “Hey, now this is a movie that I’d like to see.” So I approached Dan Gordon who’s a very well-known Hollywood screenwriter. He wrote The Hurricane with Denzel Washington, Wyatt Earp with Kevin Costner…
Kevin: He was the showrunner on Highway to Heaven.
Sam: Yeah, with Michael Landon. He’s an acquaintance, but I knew that in order to get a film made in Hollywood, it had to have a name attached to it, a recognizable name. So I reached out to him and asked him if he would write this idea that I had. I had an idea for a screenplay, and would he considered writing it with me. And, of course, he said, “No.”
Kevin: Because he’s a big time writer.
Sam: Yeah, he’s like, “No, I don’t need you and your silly ideas. But when he heard the idea, he jumped in with both feet because he recognized that we would be writing a script about the human condition and about wrestling with faith, which is something that everybody does.
So we went into production almost immediately, and Dan said to me, “Well, you have to play Katie.”
I was like, “Really?”
He said, “Oh, absolutely. This should be a family affair, and you should cast your boys in it.”
I said, “No, no, no. Hold up. Hold up. Because I didn’t want to put my children in the position of being criticized for having been cast just because they were Sorbo children.”
Kevin: Yeah, because it’s never happened in Hollywood before where people cast their friends or family members.
Sam: Yeah, but it’s sort of, you know…
Kevin: I know, but they’ve been taking classes for three years, and they’re they’re good actors. So we auditioned them.
Sam: We auditioned them, and they actually blew us away.
Kevin: I mean, they were coming up to me by the third, fourth, and fifth days, and the crew is going: “Kids are kind of acting you off the page. You better start working and pick it up a little bit.”
But then the movie came out this past fall.
Sam: Yep. October 27. Last fall.
Kevin: So we’re a small independent film, and we started with like 380 screens or so and worked our way to 800 screens in the first two weeks out up against Thor and up against Star Wars. We were the number two per-screen-average movie. Once again, reinforcing the fact that a lot of people out there want to see movies that have a solid message, values, characters that they can relate to, because the movie will make you cry. It will make you laugh; it will make you cheer. It’s a wonderful, wonderful movie. And now it just came out on DVD, and you can get it at Walmart, or Amazon as well. I mean, it’s out there, and it’s been amazing.
Sam: The movie is about basically bringing people together in understanding rather than tearing people apart, which seems to be a very strong message in our media right now — this divisiveness that has crept into our culture. Then, not only that, they would go and find us on the web and email either Kevin or me or the movie’s website, lettherebelightmovie.com, to tell us how profoundly affected they were and how uplifted they were. Basically, the idea was to give people hope. I think that’s really the underlying message of the movie, and that’s what it accomplished. We’re very proud of it.
“…bringing people together in understanding rather than tearing people apart..” – Sam Sorbo
Kevin: We do want to get these movies out to the people, but we need your help to get the word out there. We need pastors and churches to support these movies.
Sam: We need messaging that uplifts people, that gives them hope, and that makes them root for a good guy to inspire themselves to become better people. Isn’t that what our culture should want? Isn’t that what we should want from our society is for people to do good for others?
Kevin: I think people need to start realizing that God is a pretty important element to happiness in your life and to stability and to being calm in your life and not being so impatient and angry.
“God is a pretty important element to happiness in your life and to stability and to being calm in your life and not being so impatient and angry.” – Kevin Sorbo
Sam: I think we need to incorporate God into our everyday lives. You know, we talk about people who go to church on Sunday, and then the rest of the week, it almost doesn’t count.
The church should be the culture. We should bring our faith back into the culture. I believe that very strongly and partly because the culture has become so anti-faith and what that does is that removes hope. That is what that does. And we need hope again, and we have hope. The good news is there is hope. There’s hope in the cross.
“The church should be the culture. We should bring our faith back into the culture.” – Sam Sorbo
Narrator: Kevin and Sam’s new movie, “Light of the World,” is available wherever DVDs are sold. To find out more about what new films and projects Kevin and Sam have coming up, please visit them at either KevinSorbo.net or SamSorbo.com
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Following the Legacy of Billy Graham
Narration: Robert J. Morgan is the teaching pastor of The Donelson Fellowship in Nashville, Tennessee, where he has served for 35 years. He is a best-selling and Gold-Medallion winning writer with more than 35 books in print and more than 4 million copies in circulation in multiple languages. He is a writer for Dr. David Jeremiah and Turning Points Magazine and has many articles published in other leading Christian periodicals. Robert shares a little bit about his early life and how he was inspired by Reverend Billy Graham to follow the road in his own life of preaching the Gospel and teaching the truths of the Bible to as many people as he could.
My name is Robert J. Morgan, and I live here in Nashville. I grew up in East Tennessee in the mountains, in the Appalachians, and moved here in 1980 to be the senior pastor of a church. And now I’m the teaching pastor there and also have the opportunity of writing and speaking and ministering in a variety of ways. I’m also a caregiver to my wife, Katrina, who is battling an illness, and we have a bunch of grandchildren we love. And so our lives are very busy.
I grew up in a wonderful family. It was my dad and mom who are both schoolteachers. I was the oldest, and my sister Ann was born six years after I was. Because my parents were school teachers, they had the summers off, and we traveled a great deal. My father loved to travel. He grew up way up on the top of a mountain where, when he was a young person, he never traveled anywhere except maybe he walked to school and back. So, when he got old enough to travel, he wanted to see the world. He took us with him, and we just had a very wonderful family. We attended a great church in East Tennessee. I grew up in a very Christian environment with parents who love the Lord and read their Bibles and taught me the Bible. So I have sort of an idyllic childhood growing up in the 1950s and early 1960s in a small little town in middle of the Appalachians and the mountains of east Tennessee on the western North Carolina border.
Dreams of Making a Difference
Billy Graham was a hero of mine when I was just a boy because we would gather whenever he would have the televised crusades — which was several times a year on television. Then my whole family would always gather, and it would be in black and white, and Cliff Barrows would be there leading the choir, and then Billy would get up and say, “The Bible says… “ you know? And I drunk all of this in as a child, and I thought, “This is the greatest preacher. I would like to be like that one day.”
“Billy Graham was a hero of mine when I was just a boy…” – Robert Morgan
I had a lot of problems, especially during my freshman year in college. But my sophomore year of college was when I made a very life changing decision to, as far as I know how, give everything that I had and was or ever would be to the Lord in full commitment, what we called back then “full surrender.”
One day when I was in college, my sophomore year, the young man across the hall said, “Why don’t you go with me to Asheville next weekend? I want to introduce you to a woman who has meant a lot to me.” So I said, “Alright.” And we got in the car, and he drove me to Billy Graham’s house. Billy was gone, but Ruth was there. And we spent a wonderful weekend with Ruth. I learned so much, not only that weekend, but on subsequent occasions. And then when I finished at Wheaton, I spent some time working with Dr. Graham and the Crusades. Now, I didn’t work personally with him. I was a gopher. You know, I just did whatever the crusade officials needed to have done.
There were a lot of airport runs and a lot of setting up meetings and a lot of making Photostats and being at the crusade every night, and I remember one occasion I was on the platform because one of the guests who had flown in for the crusade, they were on the front row beside Dr. Graham, and they had to be taken to the airport. So they sat me up there on the platform near Dr. Graham, and I just thought, “This is the greatest thing in the world.” And I watched him there as he preached. I watched him from the back, which I’d never done. I had always seen him with his finger in the camera, and I remember when he finished the sermon. I was taking the man that I was escorting down the steps. Dr. Graham came down the steps, and he looked at me, and he shook my hand, and it was trembling. By the time he got to the end of the stairs, he nearly collapsed. They had to help him, and he was a relatively young man back then. But the exhaustion of preaching in that stadium was almost more than a human being could do. And they helped him in the car, and he drove away. But he was back the next night as good as ever. I learned so much through that experience, and I thought for a while I wanted to stay with this organization. But then the Lord just let me know that he wanted me in the pastorate and that I wouldn’t be happy doing anything except pastoring. So I left the Billy Graham Association and went into the pastorate, but I have always cherished those times when I had that opportunity.
Working In Earnest For the Lord
I graduated from Wheaton Graduate School. And I thought because I was in the mountains and there was like 10,000 churches up in those mountains, that one of them would need a pastor or would want me to be the pastor. So I graduated from Wheaton, and I started looking for a church to pastor before I got married in August, and no one invited me. No one wanted me.
So when Katrina and I were married at the end of August, I ended up getting a job at J.C. Penney’s and trying to support her that way. And we looked for a place to serve. For a solid year, I looked for churches to pastor, and there were 12 different churches that were interested in me. Every one of them turned me down. But on our first wedding anniversary, we began pastoring a little church in Greeneville, Tennessee out in the country. It was a little stone church, and we were there for two and a half years. It was a wonderful experience. The people were so gracious and supportive, and I just did my best to preach and take care of them, and they did their best to take care of us. It was just a very good experience. Not every pastor begins with a good experience, but I really did. Then in 1980, we moved here to Nashville to the church that I’ve been at now for 38 years.
We just worked very hard. It was a church of about a hundred, and over the years, it grew from about 100 to about 1,000. It took a lot of work. I didn’t mind working. The Bible says in Colossians 3: “Whatever you do, do it with all your heart, enthusiastically, as unto the Lord.” And that was sort of my work ethic, so I would preach expository messages based on passages of the Bible as we came to them because I felt like if you feed people who are in the pews with Biblical truth then they’ll grow and you’ll have a better church. And I visited the sick, and I went to the homes where people were who had problems. And we just really worked. We raised our three girls and really have had, overall, a very good experience.
Colossians 3: “Whatever you do, do it with all your heart, enthusiastically, as unto the Lord.”
Finding Strength To Support Our Loved Ones
In the pastorate, there are incredible stresses, and how we do church has changed a lot in these 40 years. It can be a struggle keeping up with the changes that are taking place in church life and in society. But, overall, we have had a wonderful experience, and we still are at the same church that we came to in 1980. The people love us, and we love them, and so we’re very grateful for that.
My wife Katrina was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis twenty-seven years ago. For many years, it wasn’t truly debilitating. It was a little aggravating. She was on a cane, or she couldn’t always walk real fast. But then she moved to a walker and then to a wheelchair. In the last few years, it’s gotten significantly worse, and this year, we have had additional medical problems. She had a ruptured stomach ulcer which created a hospitalization which then has complications with her M.S. Then she developed infections, and we’ve had a very difficult time.
And my role as a caregiver has been, until now, probably more providing emotional support and limited physical support. Now, I’m finding that she has needs that are beyond what I can do in my own strength or what I’m prepared to do really in my own strength. I’m not a nurse. Nursing doesn’t come naturally to me. But the Bible does say, “I can do all things through Him who infuses me with strength.”
Katrina and I wrote a book called The Strength You Need on the great strength passages of the Bible because we find that we both need daily strength. And the last few weeks have been exceedingly difficult, but we just love each other. We trust the Lord. I try to joke a lot about it and keep the spirit light because she gets discouraged or depressed. I don’t want to be flippant, but we try to keep a healthy cheerfulness in our home, and we just take it one day at a time.
I wasn’t sure a month ago that she was going to make it through a surgery, and so we just prayed together. I said, “Now, Katrina, if you get to heaven before I do, there are one or two things I really need for you to ask the Lord about personally, because I need help with a couple of things. So you remember that when you get to heaven.” It was that kind of frank conversation, and she said, “I will.” And we prayed, and she went on into the intensive care. She was not breathing well, but she pulled through that.
There are enormous physical and emotional stresses to caregiving, but everyone, at some time or another, will either be a caregiver or a care receiver. And what I would say is that the principles that I’ve tried to write about with The Strength You Need and in my book Worry Less, Live More on the peace that God gives and Reclaiming the Lost Art of Biblical Meditation. These books have, in large measure, come out of our own personal struggles as we have found the truthfulness of the scripture and the faithfulness of God to work for us even on the most difficult days.
“…everyone, at some time or another, will either be a caregiver or a care receiver.” – Robert Morgan
Transformation Of the Mind Through Scripture
In my own travels and life and in my marriage and the ups and downs that I’ve had personally — because I battle anxiety and worry and sometimes discouragement and depression like everybody else — nothing has helped me more than Scripture memory and biblical meditation. I learned to memorize Bible verses when I was a child in the public schools, which we could do back in the 1960s in the mountains, but also in Sunday School. And all through the years, I’ve tried to continue to memorize Scripture… just a verse or a passage here and there.
Right now, I’m working on a passage in the book of Colossians. But when you have Scripture in your mind, it becomes portable Bible study. You can think about it wherever you are. And Americans right now, particularly Christians in America, are afraid of the concept of meditation because it’s been hijacked by Eastern religions and by the transcendentalists, but it was God’s idea to begin with.
The Bible says, “This book of the Word shall not depart out of your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night that you may observe to do according to all that is written therein, for then you will make your way successful and then you will be prosperous.” And all through the Bible it talks about the importance of being transformed by the renewing of our mind and that happens as we meditate on Scripture. So out of my study of this whole subject, I wrote Reclaiming the Lost Art of Biblical Meditation.
I want to teach people how to let the Bible circulate through their brains like water through a fountain or like oil through a machine or like blood through a heart. We’ve got to constantly be letting the word of God meditate and circulate through our minds all the time. There is something about that that accelerates the transformation process and gives us a level of peace that we don’t have anywhere else.
“I want to teach people how to let the Bible circulate through their brains like water through a fountain or like oil through a machine or like blood through a heart.” – Robert Morgan
The Bible says, “I will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee.” And in Romans 8 it says that “the mind controlled by the flesh is death and destruction, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace.” So I’ll take a passage that I have memorized — now you don’t have to memorize the Bible to meditate on it. You just open the Bible and read it and think about it and ponder it — but when you also have parts of it memorized in your mind, then you can think about it when you’re shower, when you’re bicycling, when you’re walking or running.
Many times, I’ll awaken in the night, and you know when you wake up in the middle of the night, often you begin to worry. But I train my mind, now, the moment I wake up to begin quoting Scripture. Just last night I woke up in the middle of the night, and I was alarmed about something, but I started quoting Psalm 21.
“I will lift up mine eyes into the fields from whence comes my help. My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth. He will not allow your foot to be moved. He who keeps you will not slumber. Behold He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep. The Lord is your keeper. The Lord is your shade upon your right. The sun will not smite you by day or the moon by night. The Lord will preserve you from all evil. He will preserve your soul. The Lord will preserve your coming in and your going out from this time forth and forever.”
Now, when you quote that at three o’clock in the morning, you are more likely to go to sleep because there is something about the power of Scripture that gives us calmness and a sense of God’s presence. And so these are the things that I’ve tried to describe in very practical terms and in biblical terms in this book Reclaiming the Lost Art of Biblical Meditation. I want to reclaim biblical meditation for God’s people. It is God’s idea to begin with, and this is our greatest tool for growing and arriving at the peace and the joy and the sense of God’s presence that He wants us to have.
“[Biblical meditation] is our greatest tool for growing and arriving at the peace and the joy and the sense of God’s presence that He wants us to have.” – Robert Morgan
Meditating on God’s Word
All through these years, the Lord has opened doors for me to do that through preaching and teaching and speaking at conferences, and churches, and colleges, and at corporate events. And I don’t know what it is. I can’t explain it — but thinking that I’m going to get on a plane or get in the car and go, and I have the opportunity of sharing the greatest set of messages in the world, which are the truths of the Bible with a group of people. I don’t do it as well as Billy Graham. I don’t do it as well as most people, but I love doing it. I’ve had the opportunity of doing it in many parts of the world.
The Bible is given to us not just to study academically — although the study of the Bible is the most fascinating thing we can do — but to personalize it and to think of it not just as a book but as a letter from God to us. It is a personal communication from Him. So reading the Bible is a relational thing. It’s not just a routine. It’s not just a ritual. When we pray, we’re talking to God. And when we read and meditate on His Word, He’s thinking of us and communicating to us with authoritative power.
So I think what Sarah Young has done here in Jesus Calling is the meditation and the personalization of Scripture. She has taken some precious passages, and she has meditated through them until they have spoken to her, and she has written down the significance of that message. That’s the power of this little meditation book. It is a book that enables us to meditate our way through the Scriptures of God and through the words that Jesus said. And as we meditate on His words, we are strengthened by his voice, and we develop a sense of his presence.
I like this little one because it goes along with what we are saying. It’s the passage from August 15. It says,
“I am the God of all time and all that is. Seeking Me, not only in morning quietness, but consistently throughout the day. Do not let unexpected problems distract you from My presence. Instead, talk with me about everything and watch confidently to see what I will do. Adversity need not interrupt your communion with Me. When things go wrong, you tend to react as if you’re being punished. Instead of this negative response, try to view difficulties as blessings in disguise. Make Me your refuge by pouring out your heart in Me, trusting in Me at all times.”
And that reminds me so much of Psalm 46. “God is our refuge and strength. A very present help in trouble.” And that’s a message I think we need every single day.
Narration: To read Pastor Morgan’s tribute to Rev. Billy Graham, please visit the pastor’s blog at RobertJMorgan.com. You can get his book, Reclaiming the Lost Art of Biblical Meditation, everywhere books are sold.
Narrator: Next time on the Jesus Calling Podcast, we visit with best-selling author and speaker Ann Voskamp. Ann talks a little about the times in life that catch us by surprise–and how important it is to remember God’s goodness, even when it feels like our circumstances are difficult.
Ann Voskamp: Our scars, our brokenness is what we sometimes want to hide and mask, but those scars identify us with Jesus. Those scars are courage, and those scars are our “brave.” And we don’t hide them; we share them because it gives Christ all the glory because by His wounds, we are healed.
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